New candidate for actress or model for Shi movie

[Delvie]

Delvie, did you just make a sexual remark?  Be careful the PC police may be trying to find you!  (Yes she is a nice looking young lady.)

I might have. It's all in the interpretation, really. ;)

[Nishiko]

You realize that threads like these are the reason Sury and I have basically stopped posting here, right?

[jsniderfamily]

Thanks Nishiko.  I agree.

[Delvie]

She might not look "toned" in your opinion, but if that is the case, the character of Shi is not very toned either as it is drawn in the comics.......

Here's the thing. There are also werewolves, vampires & lots of other things in Shi comics.
One would hope that if you are going to make a movie based on a girl that has been trained rigorously 1/2 her life by her perfectionist grandfather to be a sohei warrior... she would look like it.
Muscle tone, fluid movements, etc.

It's all a moot point right now, anyway, because the Shi movie we are going to get right now has little to do w/ Shi & the Sohei from what I've read. However, you may go ahead & post the asian pinup of the month if you like & I will continue to comment on whether she would make a decent Shi if I like. Moot point, be damned.

[dawnsawaking]

I agree that she doesnt looked that "toned" but the other pics that have been posted on "prospective" candidates haven't been "toned"either.  You are looking at models and they are not ment to look to muscular, just a slight tone to have the perfect curves.

Another thing, when they do find the actress to play "Shi" it will be "Hollywood's" own idea on what they want her to look like.  I look at it if the actress is a dedicated actress and really gets into the part she will tone up (example - Jolie in TR, Garner - Elektra, or even like Janet Jackson when she is off tours she lets herself go, but when she goes back on tour (which will be soon) she has her famous 6 pack abs and really tone body because of the tour and all the dancing or even like a body builder they do the samething in their on and off seasons)

Enough of my ramblings and thoughts....

[Achilles]

Excellent point Dawn's Awakening and Slamky have made. They can always train these people up, however you keep forgetting that Shi is not very toned looking in the comics. Look at Shi in the red dress with the Naginata, which is a copy of a Victoria Secret ad to be exact if I remember correctly. Besides, Sonya is an actress, just as Jaymee Ong is. They have both been in films which are listed at IMDb, so they are not just models.
Besides, speculation about the movie is fun.

[Delvie]

However, you may go ahead & post the asian pinup of the month if you like & I will continue to comment on whether she would make a decent Shi if I like. Moot point, be damned.

Excellent point Dawn's Awakening and Slamky have made. They can always train these people up, however you keep forgetting that Shi is not very toned looking in the comics. Look at Shi in the red dress with the Naginata, which is a copy of a Victoria Secret ad to be exact if I remember correctly. Besides, Sonya is an actress, just as Jaymee Ong is. They have both been in films which are listed at IMDb, so they are not just models.
Besides, speculation about the movie is fun.

I comnpletly agree. But how much better it would be to start w/ the mold instead of having to start w/ the playdough & make a mold. Also, Sonya Couling is listed extras w/ nonspeaking roles. Light posts & staplers have nonspeaking roles. LOL

Besides. I think somebody mentioned:

However, you may go ahead & post the asian pinup of the month if you like & I will continue to comment on whether she would make a decent Shi if I like. Moot point, be damned.

[Achilles]

Sonya has had many speaking roles. She has a nomination for best actress in a television series so I think that would require her to speak. So your theory that she is just a model is completely false.

Regardless, Ol Sonya is already in the perfect mold of Shi, because even the Shi character does not have a highly muscled look. The character is not She Hulk after all......



I am in the middle of writing corrspondence to Sonya since I have discovered her address and I will attempt to get some more information on her.

[AvdP]

Maybe she?




;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Or she?

[Delvie]

Surely you jest. Now we're just getting silly. Too much muscle & she would have been too heavy to accomplish her goals. Not enough muscle & she just simply would be too tired to do anything after 1 fight.
That's not what people call muscle tone. That's what people call ripped.
More later when I'm done cooking.

[Delvie]

There is not a single actress in Hollwyood or anywhere else that has trained with the Sohei.

I can't believe I missed this. I thought we were having an intelligent conversation.
Yes. You are right. The question is, I wonder if you know how & why you are right. I'm not going to explain how you are right because I think a lobe just seized imagining that you don't know.  :o

So your theory that she is just a model is completely false.

OK. Now you're just putting words in my mouth. Did I say she was just a model? NO.

• I said she wasn't fit enough to play a girl who has trained 1/2 her life to be the best martial artist she can be & to accomplish the goals she had to accomplish.
  
• you responded that she was an actress in several movies listed @ imdb
  
• I went there & discovered that she had indeed been in 2 movies w/ nonspeaking parts & in one didn't even have a title.
  
• I pointed this out

;)

Regardless, Ol Sonya is already in the perfect mold of Shi,

Yes. In your cartoon world I believe she is. ;)

because even the Shi character does not have a highly muscled look.
The character is not She Hulk after all......

You are too funny... atleast, I hope it was a joke.
I swear, I think I've just damaged my brain during this conversation.

We clearly have two different ideas of what Shi should look like. You want the comic book. Even though lots of it don't fit w/ reality.... because it's a comic book. + Billy didn't have good editors w/ much input about martial arts @ the time of WOTW.


I would like a Shi that is supposed to match the story we are given. Ana was trained rigorously for 1/2 her life to be the best fighter she could be. She had to be able to jump as far as possible. Jump as high as possible. Run as fast as she possibly could. Possibly as far as she possibly could. Train to be proficient in multiple weapons... especially pole arms. She had to be as conditioned as she could be to outlast her opponents in case the neeeed should arise for a lengthy battle. She would have trained a min of 6+hrs a day w/ the sole purpose of avenging family honor. Going through workouts to just get by would not have been an option. Too much muscle & she would have been too heavy  to accomplish what was needed to pull off her goals. Not enough muscle would have rendered her too out of shape to do anything but short bursts of desperation spurred by adrenaline. That kind of power doesn't last long. She would have needed to be in top condition to last as long as necessary to come out on top.

While I appreciate the jokes about bodybuilders & She-hulk... sadly (judging from the rest of the conversation) I am afraid that I actually have to resort to showing pictures of a woman who is in GOOD shape but not musclebound.

Without having to spend too much time doing your research for you I'll just suggest one girl's physique. Hopefully you don't figure I am suggesting her for the part because I am not. I am simply using her as an example.  I think I'll use jessica in her role of Blade Trinity as an example. She might be too much, but not by much. Just a little bit less would be more Shi's physique. Here are examples:




Hopefully, you can see the definite seperation between her muscles & the definiton. Look @ the delts. Look @ the biceps. Look @ the abs. Look @ the forearms. Notice there is very little baby fat.[/color]

AGAIN. I am not suggesting Shi should be as muscled as Jessica in this role, but Shi who has gone through what Billy has written about shouldn't look too far off.

I agree w/ Nishikins when she said

To be honest, you've posted so many that I really don't have a valid reason to believe your latest choice is any more qualified for the role than the other women you've put up.

However, I agree w/ you that speculation, regardless how futile, is fun. & frankly, too many people put their lives on the line & too many people have died for you to have the right to say how you feel & post who you like for the role. Post away. On the same token, too many have given their lives for any of us not to respond exactly how we feel. If we don't exercise that right, & just run away because we don't like what we see... we don't deserve the sacrfice people have made for our freedoms.
So. It's not a personal thing against you that I disagree. Hopefully, you'll see that my idea of Shi isn't the next asian gidget. ;)

[Achilles]

....I really think you need to calm down, Delvie. We obviously disagree and that is okay. In the end, whoever finances the film, if it ever gets made, will make the decision who is cast as Shi. I enjoy speculating but I find that no matter who I recommend you will disagree with who I pick regardless and that is what makes it so amusing. :D But I am sure you will never change and I am hoping you never will. It is nice to see someone with such passion about a comic book character. Sometimes passion is the enemy of precision however. Time will tell what will happen with the movie. Currently I think ol' Sonya is a possibility.  

[Delvie]

Who said I was upset?   ???
You didn't see all the smileys after every point?  ???
I was actually laughing through parts of it but didn't feel the need to add LOL. I felt smileys were sufficient. ;D

I was just being thorough in my answer.
Sometimes your replies appeared like you didn't read what I said. In the event that I was just not making my point of view clear enough, I was spelling it all out so there could be no misunderstanding of what I was saying. Like I previously said, since our opinion doesn't matter one iota to the studio execs, this topic is far too trivial to get bent out of shape over. I certainly wasn't & I hope you or nobody else thinks I was.  :P

Of course we don't agree. Chances are, I'm the only one that sees Shi as a woman prepared physically for the tasks spelled out in WOTW-JuNen. It wouldn't be the 1st time I've disagreed w/ everybody. I am just looking @ SHI from a martial artist's stand point. 8)

Anyway. No biggie. Carry on. ;D



PS. I am definately aware that the possibility exists that SHI: Way Of The Warrior will never be a movie. I am further aware that a realistic Shi will probably not be the direction any production company goes if they did. Hollywood is more about dramatic license than realism. Like you, it's fun to speculate.  


PSS. By the way.... the very 1st Tomoe you ever posted that people wanted you to take down (the chick on the bike) I agreed w/.  :P

[jsniderfamily]

Any movie with Jessica or Halle in it I will see.

[Delvie]

Ditto. I'm not big on the horror movies, myself. But I eventual watch it through bits & pieces because they are on. I don't remember Halle doing  any horror, but Jessica has done a few. Her role in Blade is probably her best IMAO. Of course, I might not have seen everything she has done.

[dawnsawaking]

I agree with you Delvie and I am looking at the marial arts stand point, but then 3 out 5 in my family are in martial arts and you do have to have stamina and strength with marital arts.  

Now I just watched a movie with my kids, it is a B flick in Martial Arts but I got it because 2 of the actors are actually trained in the Kenpo/Kung Fu style they are training in and they are considered Sifu's.  (Don "the Dragon" Wilson and Cynthia Rockroth) of course I am getting schooled on the forms the kids see in the flick but when the movie was done it came up to Cynthia (she maybe what you are looking for Delvie on your explination of being toned for Shi) and it said she was the "undefeated womans forms" champion.  So my daughter turns around and says "hmmm, now that is a challenge"  I wish I could show you how good my kids are, we do have video of them, but they are the best in forms and they are the fastest at learning everything. Right now they are practing for their tourney in a few weeks, they are learning the twin daggers.

anyhooo, i am rambling so i will stop   ;D

[Delvie]

That would be cool to see. If you ever want your friends or family to see the videos online, photobucket now lets you load video to your accounts.

I've got some of Cynthia's older stuff. Most martial arts dvd purchases lately have been instructional weapons vids or forms contests. I see her hair is back dark. I like it better this way. I can't see much of her body in recent photos to judge, but her abs certainly look tight. Cynthia's Germanic ancestry makes her a bit larger than the average Eurasian, but her definition is certainly similar to what I would think Shi would   look like. Nishikans suggested Diane Inosanto. That's a good comparison too.

[jsniderfamily]

Ditto. I'm not big on the horror movies, myself. But I eventual watch it through bits & pieces because they are on. I don't remember Halle doing  any horror, but Jessica has done a few. Her role in Blade is probably her best IMAO. Of course, I might not have seen everything she has done.

Gothika was as close as I remember for Halle.

[Delvie]

Gothika was as close as I remember for Halle.

Yeah. I thought it was going to be from the previews, but once it came on cable, it seemed like more of a thriller.

[Achilles]

Delvie,
It has been so long since I posted the picture of a girl on a bike for Tomoe, that I don't even know who it is. That must have been years ago. Time has passed quickly.

I never like Jessica Beal, I thought her best performance was in Ulee's Gold as the rebellious daughter. Peter Fonda got an Academy Award nomination for best actor. It was a pretty intense film because his family (including Jessica are kidnapped) and he has to rescue them.

If I had my way Sonya would play Shi. She has the looks that match the comic character the most in my opinion. In fact this picture says it all, the S under her navel stands for "Shi".....or maybe it's for Sonia. ;D
http://www.tabooart.net/wallpapers/0138_Sonia_Couling.htm

[QuinnJonLee]

I don't think she should be as built a Jessica Biel, but more like a fitness model. Anyway. but now I suppose there is going to be the thing on if she (Sonya) has any Japanese in her ancestry or not.
That's where we got lost on Ziyi Zhang, and the other 60,000 choices.

[Achilles]

But I am confident and can say without bias of any kind that my choices and candidates are the best!  ;) :D

My top three picks for the part of Shi are as follows in no particular order of favorite:

Cecilia Cheung: Strongest qualification is the fact she has the strongest acting experience and the awards to back it up. She also is very cocky and confident, plus she is a hapa 75% Asian and 25% Caucasion. She speaks English clearly also. I discovered this watching one of her music videos. She is not a very good singer, but at least she has the language down.



Sonya Couling: Looks the most like Shi in the comic book and has acting experience and can speak English, Thai, Japanese, and Chinese. She is also a Hapa.

Jaymee Ong: Has the looks of Shi, is a Hapa, and has acting experience.

[jsniderfamily]

If people in Japan call you a Hapa, is that a bad thing?

[california69gs]

Until you posted that pin-up picture I might have agreed with you on Sonja being ok for the part, she has the facial features.  That being said the girl looks like she'd blow away in the wind, not a warrior. Again I have to side with Delvie, the actress needs to have tone and grace. Sonja I think would have the grace, but anybody could show her the floor.

Put her in the carver so she doesn't blow away. ;D

[Achilles]

As mentioned by a another poster, there is not a single actress that can't go into a training regimen to get buffed up for a part.

Your argument is completely lame. The Carver is a great idea because it would be bullet proof. Shi can't block bullets, so what a wonderful device to have to stop them. ;D