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« on: Sat, October 26, 2002, 13:19:19 » |
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Mr Tucci,
You have asked us on this forum to come up with ideas. After participating in another discussion on this forum about card sets it occurred to me that an all Cover Gallery TPB would be nice. A real collectors book. ;)
I have really been waiting for another card set and hope one does come about. But with over 200 covers of SHI it might be difficult to put all of them in a card set. Alternative? A TPB with every cover, including variants, one shots and crossovers with maybe just brief notes below the pictures would really be something to have. And I would think not too hard to do? :o
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« Reply #1 on: Wed, November 6, 2002, 08:23:44 » |
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Do you really think that people would purchase a book like that? I would love to put one out, but it's all reproduced stuff. This might work if we can add some text somewhere on the book to explain what each cover is. I think we should include the whole cover, (including text) like it was on the shelves. It would be very easy to produce, we'd just have to make sure that the costs would add up and we could afford to put it out. We'd just have to find a place to put the type. On the cover itself with Shi describing it with a little word balloon, or include a number on each page and devote a section in the back of the book itself describing every issue.
Would anyone else order this book?
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THANK YOU FOR 13 WONDERFUL YEARS OF SHI and Crusade. YOU HAVE ALL CHANGED MY LIFE AND I AM HONORED.
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« Reply #2 on: Wed, November 6, 2002, 18:04:34 » |
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a great idea. you might even try to make it a sort of trading card style book with the covers on one side of the page and the meaning/description on the other side of the page behind it .count me in if you produce it
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Delvie
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« Reply #3 on: Wed, November 6, 2002, 18:43:36 » |
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Of course we would buy it! Read back thru your emails from a few years ago! LOL!
I agree w/ the full sized pics & then an index in the middle of the book w/ descriptions, artists, release dates, etc.
Personally, it would be nice to see seperate pics of such variants as WOTW Fan Appreciation 1, Virgin Cover & Gold since they each have different designs (kinda). I definately agree that the variants that are identical aside from Ruby Red Lettering, Prim Foil Lettering, Gold Foil Lettering, etc wouldn't need seperate pics, just a mention in the index that ruby red, prism foil, gold foil, platinum &/or royal blue lettered editions were also released, as well (& maybe the number of limited editions).
Though I would love to have this book as soon as possible. It might be more timely to follow or coincide w/ the release of the movie. There would be more of an immediate market for such an item (other than us collector/fanatics). ;)
However, if it came to a special preorder situation, count me & my Shi-Bucks in!
It would give an opportunity for new artwork on the cover.
Live well,
D
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« Reply #4 on: Sat, November 16, 2002, 17:51:46 » |
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Hi, I have not on the forum for about 2 weeks, I guess. So I'm trying to catch up on the posts. by Delvie: Though I would love to have this book as soon as possible. It might be more timely to follow or coincide w/ the release of the movie. There would be more of an immediate market for such an item (other than us collector/fanatics). Quoted text Delvie certainly is business minded and that is a good thing. I didn't stop to think what the general public or casual collector might be interested in. I feel serious collectors would love a TPB like this. But lets see if we can do a little research right here on the forum. Does anyone know if anyone else has done this? If so did it sell? It might be a new thing or not, I dont know. I'm not trying to kill the idea but I it would be nice to know if a book like this has sold for someone else before. |
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Delvie
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« Reply #5 on: Sun, November 17, 2002, 03:16:31 » |
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Though I don't consider myself a comic collector, I have never seen anything like this in the comic industry other than the occasional sketchbook. However, You do see such books for magazines such as Rolling Stone, Playboy, yada yada & yada yada. I've also seen fantasy/scifi artists release books of compiled artwork. I DEFINATELY think the market would exist. It might even spur other comic artists to follow suit. I was just thinking that the movie release would rope in more casual market goers who aren't necessarily Shi collectors like us, but more "curious" buyers.
Of course, you know Billy... we'll HAVE to have a new "never seen before" Shi art on the cover... ;) LOL j/k
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« Reply #6 on: Wed, December 18, 2002, 04:57:45 » |
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Okay, we're trying to get the "Shi -Cover Gallery TPB" out for April 2003. We're getting prices from our printer to see just how much it's going to cost. I'll let you know by the end of the day!
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« Reply #7 on: Sun, March 21, 2004, 20:49:57 » |
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I think that all Shi hardcore fans would buy one - but are we still enough.....? :-/
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« Reply #8 on: Sun, March 21, 2004, 23:13:35 » |
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Here is one more vote YES!
I would buy one.
I think that thumbnails of the variant editions would be a good additon.
Covers are not the only item to picture in a coffee table book. Pictures of statues, weapons, Japanese culture, a SHI pop-up, an Ana paper doll with removable sticker clothing, you name it.
-Joe ;)
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« Reply #9 on: Wed, May 5, 2004, 00:28:36 » |
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sheesh...this is a very old topic...but a very good one indeed!!
If you look through the galleries of covers of SHI around the web you can see what great ARTpieces those are...
It would be AWESOME to have those as a compilation TPB or even 3 comicsized 96-page comics for instance!!
It was also done by DC for the Preacher-cover-gallery-TPS and Bud Root (Cavewoman) has done it also!!
GREAT IDEA!!
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« Reply #10 on: Sun, June 6, 2004, 15:32:44 » |
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Is the book still scheduled for this year?
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Delvie
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« Reply #11 on: Tue, September 27, 2005, 20:33:49 » |
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It's too bad this idea wasn't capitalized on.
In November, Top Cow produces:
WITCHBLADE 10TH ANNIVERSARY COVER GALLERY
I'd rather have a Shi
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« Reply #12 on: Wed, September 28, 2005, 00:38:27 » |
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Another example was the Wizard 100 book which shows various sizes of the cover 1-100 and lots of explanatory text. It is a beautiful book.
For a single character, would this be like a greatest hits album, when they are no longer popular in the public eye? It might be better to coincide with a movie so it looks like an introduction book vs a greatest hits fond farewell.
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« Reply #13 on: Wed, September 28, 2005, 05:38:59 » |
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For a single character, would this be like a greatest hits album, when they are no longer popular in the public eye? IMO, no. Witchblade seems to still be popular & @ the top of her game. Of course, the Witchblade TV Show & Movie 5yrs ago probably helped her success. She still produces a storyline on a monthly basis which produces significant sales (November will also produce Witchblade 92 as well as a Witchblade Compendium HB as well as a Holiday variant to #80). Significant enough sales that promotion companies like DF & Jay Co. promote re-releases w/ commissioned covers (on top of the normal 2-3 variant covers already produced). Not just of #1 & #2 & #3, etc, but of Milemarker issues like #18, #25, #40, #50, #70, etc. 10th Anniversary look back doesn't signal 'has been' to me, it signals a Decade of success & a celebration of variant cover work. Wouldn't the assumption that a 10th year Anniversary Cover Gallery signals a last gasp look back mean that Shi died prior to her 5th Year Celebration Issue w/ her Cover gallery? Personally, only a few of the Shi storylines have touched me. YOTD, WOTW, Overstreet Fan Editions, H&E, Ju-nen (which are basically all one storyline continued); but the covers of nearly all the series have impressed me. As a collector, it would be very nice to hold a book displaying all the variant covers as a whole page in a HB as opposed to thumbing through binders or boxes to admire the covers. About 6 yrs ago, I photocopied all of my Shi covers & blew them up to fit on a 10.5" page & had them in a binder in protector sheets & kept that on the coffee table. Crusade was talking about producing one of these for Shi, but refrained from it citing interest. Top Cow is producing one for Witchblade. Personally, I would easily pay $50-$75 for a 300+ HB of Shi Cover Gallery. Grifter/Shi Final Rites & Senryaku HC sold for $25. I pay $105 for Antiquities & $80 for a Royal Blue which are 30pg Shi comics. Unless I am severely mistaken, Crusade could easily produce a limited # of these (50-100) & still sell @ a profit, despite what Diamond order interest is. But I could be wrong. I'm not versed in the numbers = success in the printing/publishing/comic business. |
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« Reply #14 on: Wed, September 28, 2005, 07:05:09 » |
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I like the Witchblade analysis. Current titles and the fact that a TV show is out yields the fan base to pay for the higher ticket item when it comes out.
The Greg Horn Art book is another example.
It has covers, commentary and explanations of how the art is produced and some fan photos, etc.
If you have seen the Wizard 100 hardbound book, it is very nice also. I like it because it is a very handy reference and shows some beautiful artwork.
As long as the art is the focal point, it would sell.
Along the lines of what the Art of Greg Horn hardbound sells for (in second printing I think):
200+ pages would sell for $40 to $50
200+ pages hand signed for $60 with a custom Tucci picture $75plus
Maybe Billy can give a pencils lesson and Mark Sparacio can give a mini-painting lesson as part of the book to know how the process works.
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Delvie
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« Reply #15 on: Wed, September 28, 2005, 07:52:50 » |
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I like the Witchblade analysis. Current titles and the fact that a TV show is out yields the fan base to pay for the higher ticket item when it comes out.
The Greg Horn Art book is another example.
It has covers, commentary and explanations of how the art is produced and some fan photos, etc.
If you have seen the Wizard 100 hardbound book, it is very nice also. I like it because it is a very handy reference and shows some beautiful artwork.
As long as the art is the focal point, it would sell.
Along the lines of what the Art of Greg Horn hardbound sells for (in second printing I think):
200+ pages would sell for $40 to $50
200+ pages hand signed for $60 with a custom Tucci picture $75plus
Maybe Billy can give a pencils lesson and Mark Sparacio can give a mini-painting lesson as part of the book to know how the process works.
That would be more along the lines of the Crusade Coffee Table Book http://www.williamtucci.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=CrusadeNews;action=display;num=1084283929, which is actually a different concept. It was to feature bits & pieces of all the Crusade/Tucci projects which while being cool in itself, isn't the same as a Cover Gallery.
I own the Art of GH, the Art of Jay Anacleto, Art of Erik Drudwyn, Art of Max Bertolini, Art of Clyde Caldwell, Ilene Meyer artbook, a Frazetta, several of the Louis Royo art books & several of Dorian Cleavenger's art books as well Wizard Millenium's Alex Ross, Michael Turner & Jim Lee. It would be UBER cool to have a Tucci artbook aka Tucci Coffee Table (TCT) Book, but given the choice, I'd really like to push for a cover gallery. Of course, you know me, I'll buy both. Probably even 2 of the Cover Gallery.
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« Reply #16 on: Wed, September 28, 2005, 08:31:01 » |
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Since covers would be in a coffee table book, maybe one book could be enough and more of a good buy for a fan?
I'm not sure I see a need for two unless the content is totally different inside.
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« Reply #17 on: Wed, September 28, 2005, 09:37:17 » |
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Since covers would be in a coffee table book, maybe one book could be enough and more of a good buy for a fan? A Crusade Coffee Table Book would be missing nearly 1/3 of the covers as a lot of variants were produced by, Marvel, Avatar, Harris, Image, etc & not by Crusade. Crusade is unaware of many variants out there. On the same subject, maybe 1/2 to 3/5ths of the Shi covers were by Tucci & the rest by other artists. A Tucci Art book would be extremely lacking as far as a compendium of Shi covers & would have different content.
I'm not sure I see a need for two unless the content is totally different inside. It would be completely different. A cover gallery would be just that. A book exhibiting all the Shi covers which are up to 300 including variants & a checklist of Shi issues in the back. The book could have some running commentary superimposed on top of the covers. (ie comments from artists, fans, critics, etc). The coffee table book would have Shi, WWII warplanes, Gremlins, art from numerous other projects as well as some Crusade history, Tucci biography & some instructional material. I have long been an advocate of saturating the market w/ Shi projects. Others have argued that saturating wasn't the way to go. I've always been under the impression that multiple projects not only give fans/nonfans a choice, but it also keeps new Shi in front of peoples faces, reminding them she's still here. Shi's fan base doesn't seem to be growing much. A 10th Anniversary Shi Cover Gallery waiting til the movie comes out may be 13th Anniversary or 15th Anniversary. [/color] |
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« Reply #18 on: Wed, September 28, 2005, 10:46:06 » |
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I would prefer to see the Tucci/Crusade art book then more than the cover gallery book. While I would pay for both of them, I would be more likely to pay bigger bucks for the art book if done with the same quality as the art books you and I own already. If the great twist of having a sketch was possible in the book, that would be even better, but might cause Billy to get carpel tunnel syndrome.
The covers brought me to SHI, but the art and stories inside keep me here and are of more lasting value to me.
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« Reply #19 on: Sun, October 2, 2005, 07:37:26 » |
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Actually I would rather see a SHI gallery by different artists and fan commissioned artists.
Which of your favorite artists would you like to contribute to a SHI gallery book?
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« Reply #20 on: Sun, October 2, 2005, 07:55:36 » |
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Dorian Cleavenger or Louis Royo
The art by various artists was discussed for the coffee table book.
I still think a cover gallery would be more beneficial to collectors so they can admire their collection w/out having to lay them all out or thumb through boxes. I also think it would be more beneficial for beginning collectors so they can see what the issues they don't have look like.
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« Reply #21 on: Sun, October 2, 2005, 10:42:21 » |
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Billy just needs to make it happen, I guess on all these fronts.
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« Reply #22 on: Sun, October 2, 2005, 12:32:19 » |
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Billy just needs to make it happen, I guess on all these fronts. & how |
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« Reply #23 on: Sun, October 2, 2005, 13:20:27 » |
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I'd definitley get this i luv coffee table books I just got last week in th email Tex Avery the MGM years which is a great coffee table book.
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« Reply #24 on: Thu, June 14, 2007, 10:17:47 » |
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IMO, no.
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10th Anniversary look back doesn't signal 'has been' to me, it signals a Decade of success & a celebration of variant cover work.
Wouldn't the assumption that a 10th year Anniversary Cover Gallery signals a last gasp look back mean that Shi died prior to her 5th Year Celebration Issue w/ her Cover gallery?
Personally, only a few of the Shi storylines have touched me. YOTD, WOTW, Overstreet Fan Editions, H&E, Ju-nen (which are basically all one storyline continued); but the covers of nearly all the series have impressed me. As a collector, it would be very nice to hold a book displaying all the variant covers as a whole page in a HB as opposed to thumbing through binders or boxes to admire the covers. About 6 yrs ago, I photocopied all of my Shi covers & blew them up to fit on a 10.5" page & had them in a binder in protector sheets & kept that on the coffee table.
Crusade was talking about producing one of these for Shi, but refrained from it citing interest. Top Cow is producing one for Witchblade.
Personally, I would easily pay $50-$75 for a 300+ HB of Shi Cover Gallery. Grifter/Shi Final Rites & Senryaku HC sold for $25. I pay $105 for Antiquities & $80 for a Royal Blue which are 30pg Shi comics. Unless I am severely mistaken, Crusade could easily produce a limited # of these (50-100) & still sell @ a profit, despite what Diamond order interest is.
But I could be wrong. I'm not versed in the numbers = success in the printing/publishing/comic business.
Just bringing this back up for possible discussion. Thoughts? What would be the most you would pay for a 300+pg Hardcover Shi Cover gallery? |
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